User talk:Roger

Removing Wikify Templates
Please do not remove wikify templates without addressing the issues they mention. These templates exist to help our contributors find articles which are in need of improvement. If you continue to remove wikify templates without improving articles, your account may be blocked.
 * --AllenJB 07:24, 22 January 2010 (GMT)

Would have mentioned something earlier, but no real method of contacting anybody readily. Freenode IRC channel is pretty quiet. I really don't go out of my other way and join other IRC channels and didn't see a need to email anybody directly about editing a wiki article as I do perform this task occasionally.

Now's probably a good time to mention this though.

Look at the "wikify templates" from a "productive user point of view". The wiki warnings placed at the top of the wiki articles are completely silly!

I really didn't realize this until the past few days. Think of it. If you want to read a good book or published article, do you see "Warnings" on top of the title of the first page warning to fix things (that perform nothing to the accuracy of the article)? Not only this, to have the warnings left there for months or even years?

I would suggest putting these warnings at the bottom of the page or elsewhere so users whom are performing research can read & print the WIKI pages without huge warnings, which are irrelevant to their own work.

Not only this, quite a few wiki articles, if not a majority have these warnings.

As for my own created pages, I think I' rather to either move them to the bottom or elsewhere, or continue to remove them.

Another way to look at this, it's really tough to force people to continually maintain an article, free of charge, and then further trying to force people to fix the articles by placing large notices at the top of the pages. Granted, the intent is probably as a friendly reminder.

An example, imagine being a sys admin tasked with deploying Mutt and Postfix throughout a national company and you need to provide relevant documentation. Seeing "wikify templates" at the top of an article don't look to professional. It could easily be taken the article hasn't been constantly maintained.

If something doesn't sound right, please feel free to contact me with further suggestions, etc. This is merrily meant as constructive criticism and not meant to be mean or negative.

- Roger


 * Copied from my reply to the mailing list:
 * I disagree. From a "productive contributor" point of view, the wikify templates make complete sense.


 * First of all, nobody else has ever complained about them and they are used in a similar manner on most wikis, included wikipedia itself.


 * The wikify templates inform users of how they can help to clean up and contribute to articles.


 * The seperate todo pages setup doesn't work nearly as well - it leaves messy empty pages everywhere when all the issues have been tidied up and means that when users navigate via the categories, they end up going to the "todo" page, then back up to the actual article. Then when they've modified the article, they have to go back and update the todo page as well. This workflow setup is just insane.


 * As for IRC, I haven't seen you ask on IRC about wikify templates (as of when I last checked this morning), and I idle on the channel all the time.


 * As I said on your talk page, the wikify templates serve a useful, productive purpose, both for readers (as they often highlight issues with the article) and contributors (looking for something to do). If you continue to remove them, your account will be banned.
 * --AllenJB 12:31, 22 January 2010 (GMT)

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Hi there,

i've left a (long) comment on the talk page. --Harpette 02:34, 18 February 2010 (GMT)